Did Microsoft just add back the missing Windows 10 taskbar start (foldout) menu to Windows 11?

[Jan K.]

I've been holding back on my Windows 10->11 upgrade mainly because MS
removed the cascade pullout hierarchical accordion menu in Windows 11.

But does this news today imply that Microsoft is mending their errors?

Shock move by Microsoft:
Company actually makes Windows 11 better with taskbar improvements
https://www.techradar.com/computing/windows/shock-move-by-microsoft-company-actually-makes-windows-11-better-with-taskbar-improvements

[VanguardLH]

Notes:
- Topic is not related to Windows 10 to which the OP cross-posted.
alt.comp.os.windows-10 newsgroup was removed in my reply.
- alt.comp.microsoft.windows is not peered to my Usenet server, but is
available on other servers, so I left it in the Newsgroups header.

Post by Jan K.
I've been holding back on my Windows 10->11 upgrade mainly because MS
removed the cascade pullout hierarchical accordion menu in Windows 11.
But does this news today imply that Microsoft is mending their errors?
Company actually makes Windows 11 better with taskbar improvements
https://www.techradar.com/computing/windows/shock-move-by-microsoft-company-actually-makes-windows-11-better-with-taskbar-improvements

I don't see the change mentioned in the article that you describe
(cascade pullout hierarchical accordion Start Menu).

If you want the Win10 Start Menu style, follow the video below on a
registry hack to change the style of the Start Menu:

Besides tweaks already included in Windows 11 to modify the Taskbar's
style, like moving from center to left side, there are many 3rd-party
tools to provide an alternative Start Menu, like:

Stardock's Start11
OpenShell
StartAllBack
Start Menu X

[Big Al]

Post by VanguardLH
- Topic is not related to Windows 10 to which the OP cross-posted.
alt.comp.os.windows-10 newsgroup was removed in my reply.
- alt.comp.microsoft.windows is not peered to my Usenet server, but is
available on other servers, so I left it in the Newsgroups header.

Post by Jan K.
I've been holding back on my Windows 10->11 upgrade mainly because MS
removed the cascade pullout hierarchical accordion menu in Windows 11.
But does this news today imply that Microsoft is mending their errors?
Company actually makes Windows 11 better with taskbar improvements
https://www.techradar.com/computing/windows/shock-move-by-microsoft-company-actually-makes-windows-11-better-with-taskbar-improvements

I don't see the change mentioned in the article that you describe
(cascade pullout hierarchical accordion Start Menu).
If you want the Win10 Start Menu style, follow the video below on a
http://youtu.be/tcxAwNcm2lo
Besides tweaks already included in Windows 11 to modify the Taskbar's
style, like moving from center to left side, there are many 3rd-party
Stardock's Start11
OpenShell
StartAllBack
Start Menu X

Like the ClassicMode menu. It looks like Windows 8.1 IIRC, been too many years though.

As for the OP, all I saw about a 'pull out' was the mention of hovering over a toolbar icon and
having the jump list popup without having to click on it.

[Jan K.]

Post by VanguardLH
If you want the Win10 Start Menu style, follow the video below on a

The Windows Start Menu is a garbage pail filled with other people's trash.
Using it entails hand picking through all the smelly trash to clean it out.

Constantly.

The only menu worth dealing with is one that no program knows about.
The reason is they all want to add as many items to it as they can.

Therefore, the only menu that stays clean, is one you build yourself.

Which was easy in Windows 10 since a hierarchical shortcut folder pinned to
the taskbar as a toolbar would cascade accordion pullout on demand.

But not in Windows 11.

Microsoft seems desperate to force you to use their garbage start menu.

But I don't know if this new feature means M$ saw the error of their ways.

[Brian Gregory]

Post by Jan K.
The Windows Start Menu is a garbage pail filled with other people's trash.
Using it entails hand picking through all the smelly trash to clean it out.
Constantly.
The only menu worth dealing with is one that no program knows about.
The reason is they all want to add as many items to it as they can.
Therefore, the only menu that stays clean, is one you build yourself.
Which was easy in Windows 10 since a hierarchical shortcut folder pinned to
the taskbar as a toolbar would cascade accordion pullout on demand.
But not in Windows 11.
Microsoft seems desperate to force you to use their garbage start menu.
But I don't know if this new feature means M$ saw the error of their ways.

Isn't "All Apps" on the Windows 11 menu near enough the same thing?
I only goes one deep flattening any further folders, which can make a
few things ambiguous, but usually it's just a few "Uninstall" icons that
you can't tell apart.

[Jan K.]

Post by Brian Gregory

Post by Jan K.
But I don't know if this new feature means M$ saw the error of their ways.

Isn't "All Apps" on the Windows 11 menu near enough the same thing?
I only goes one deep flattening any further folders, which can make a
few things ambiguous, but usually it's just a few "Uninstall" icons that
you can't tell apart.

One deep is no better than a smartphone set of messy homescreen shortcuts.

However, thanks for that suggestion but what I want is what we always had
up until Windows 11, which is a fully hierarchical pullout foldout
accordion menu that easily folds out as deep as you want it to go.

I don't know why Microsoft removed that feature of the taskbar in Windows
11, but I suspect they want to force people to use their ugly start menu.

It doesn't really matter what teh format of the default start menu is
though, as it will always be filled up by someone else's smelly trash.

That's why the only menu that can work without an excessive amount of
sticking your hands into the garbage pail to remove someone else's
excessive trash is a simply hierarchical folder of shortcuts pinned to the
taskbar.

That worked from Windows XP days (where it started) to Windows 10.
Why not Windows 11?

[VanguardLH]

Post by Jan K.

Jan K wrote: (Jan omitted this attribution line)

Post by Jan K.
But I don't know if this new feature means M$ saw the error of their ways.

Isn't "All Apps" on the Windows 11 menu near enough the same thing?
I only goes one deep flattening any further folders, which can make a
few things ambiguous, but usually it's just a few "Uninstall" icons that
you can't tell apart.

One deep is no better than a smartphone set of messy homescreen shortcuts.
However, thanks for that suggestion but what I want is what we always had
up until Windows 11, which is a fully hierarchical pullout foldout
accordion menu that easily folds out as deep as you want it to go.
I don't know why Microsoft removed that feature of the taskbar in Windows
11, but I suspect they want to force people to use their ugly start menu.
It doesn't really matter what teh format of the default start menu is
though, as it will always be filled up by someone else's smelly trash.
That's why the only menu that can work without an excessive amount of
sticking your hands into the garbage pail to remove someone else's
excessive trash is a simply hierarchical folder of shortcuts pinned to the
taskbar.
That worked from Windows XP days (where it started) to Windows 10.
Why not Windows 11?

So, without mentioning it as a criteria (where you accept solutions only
incorporate in Windows), are the 3rd-party solutions objectionable or
unusable to you? Oddly, the registry hack already mentioned gives you
back the Win10 "classic" Start Menu that you claim you want. If you are
unwilling to try the registry hack, or 3rd-party solutions, you aren't
here to seek help, but to whine about changes to Windows.

Microsoft has long used a change in desktop GUI as the prime excuse for
claiming they have a new version. That is, for them to have a new
version of Windows means the desktop and its elements MUST change.
That's why it doesn't stay the way you were used to using before.

"I know engineers. They love to change things."

I dislike having to drill through an ever-enlarging list of entries in
the Start Menu, and the popup tile menu had limited usefulness. Instead
I add toolbars to the Taskbar. Its faster and shorter to use toolbar to
group similar apps than to drill through the Start Menu (although it has
the auto-search feature to find a matching app on what you've typed so
far). That eliminated me from testing 3rd party workarounds to the
Start Menu both in Win10. Win11 allows toolbars, too, but with reduced
features.

[dbnnet]

That old (2021) hack no longer will work in the new Win 11 releases

Post by VanguardLH
If you want the Win10 Start Menu style, follow the video below on a
http://youtu.be/tcxAwNcm2lo